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Another winter season is upon us. Is it too much to ask that snowmobilers do NOT use their snowmachines Within City Limits?
Bylaw 11 directs that there be NO recreational snowmobiling within city limits.
I ask that Drivers please obey the law, and the City to Enforce the bylaws.
Why is the Snowmobile club allowed to Groom trails WITHIN City limits?
This has been an ongoing issue for many many years.
time to SeeClickFix it!!
56 Comentars
Mr Hermiteowitch (Usuario registrado)
Mr Hermiteowitch (Usuario registrado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
I think the trail south of Marquis Rd is still outside city property.
the bylaw has no exceptions for recreational snowmobiling.
riverview (Invitado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
riverview (Invitado)
riverview (Invitado)
arni (Invitado)
Or the noise from Boom Boxes cranked inside cars with the windows rolled down.
riverview (Invitado)
I live there (Invitado)
snowmobiler (Invitado)
riverview (Invitado)
riverview (Invitado)
riverview (Invitado)
riverview (Invitado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
if the trails were closed and the groomer is gone, why have I seen a groomer going by the airport last few years?
I can't remember last year, but I'm pretty sure it came through.
nothing yet this year, cause we have no snow.
but regardless of the groomer, there are still many snowmobiles operating in the city, and you just have to drive to the airport to see the tracks.
By the end of the year, the fields are almost 100% compacted.
that would destroy the winter crops if Morgan would be planting them....
and this is ALL within city boundaries.
I support the Clubs that groom on public lands
riverview (Invitado)
riverview (Invitado)
FED UP (Invitado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
Riverview: Grooming to P.A. from Candle Lake STOPS just after the pulp haul road, before the East access road...
there is a "City Limits" sign there plain as day.
and Snowmachines pretty much Daily operate inside the limits there. And there is no exceptions that I can find for that area, and when I called a few years back the PAPS said as much
riverview (Invitado)
Another issue that candle would being paid by the SSA for grooming trails into the city which is against city bylaws.My worry was some one getting pinched for riding on a trail which was against the city bylaws.I don't disagree that sleds are being used in the city on a regular basis.my neighbor even does it.He knows it's wrong but he does it anyway.
atvrider (Invitado)
pf/l (Invitado)
Clodbuster (Invitado)
The part I do have a problem with is some sledders disregard for private property. Just becasue a piece of land has snow on it, doesn't mean it's fair game. So even if the city got on board like atvrider said that Meadow Lake and others have, where do you go once you reach the end of the alley......
riverview (Invitado)
Driving in a small town has rules also and their situation is different in regards to example, population.
We had proper trails in the city but i guess that meant for some people you can go any where. We had sighs stolen which led two people getting injured on the trails,lucky no-one was sued. Even though there is a fine for removing sighs and They don't like them or they wanted them for there garage i guess as long as the needs of the individual is met the hell with everyone else.
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
clodbuster
to me it is about respect for the law, and citizens
if you don't like the law, lobby to get it changed.
until then, is it unreasonable to expect everyone to make an attempt to follow the law?
and regarding private property, I've had snowmobilers drive right over my front lawn at high speed, push snow that I just cleared, back on to the driveway, and nearly hit my well hydrant.
is this really what folks want to be teaching their children?
Clodbuster (Invitado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
found this on the PAPS site, to wit: Citizens should also be aware of Bylaw No. 11 of 2007, The Prohibition of Motor Vehicles in Public Places Bylaw, making it an offence to ride an ATV or snowmobile anywhere within the corporate limits of The City of Prince Albert. This includes areas north of the river in Nordale, the Little Red River Park, and those areas along highway No. 55 East to the Domtar site.
read it here: http://www.papolice.ca/papolice/Divisions/ByLaw/TrafficBylawStreets.aspx
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
still lots of snowmobilers in city limits.
:(
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
Why are they allowed this?
There is no snowmobiliing within city limits, yet the snowmobile club Grooms the Trails???
riverview (Usuario registrado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
Mistake?? Really??
it is not hard to see the "City Limits" sign by the pulp mill that the Groomer had to go around...
I think it is more an attitude of "We just don't care, as once it is done it is done...
perhaps the city should fine the club for every complaint of snowmobiles, as the club surely "Encourages" illegal snowmobiliing
riverview (Usuario registrado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
there are acreage out north east of the city, north of the airport and east along the highway that pay a LOT of taxes, and get NOTHING for that.
Then to top it off, they have to listen to the incredibly loud whine of machines flying along the highway.
Ilive 4km off the highway, and don't hear them but when they are withing a km or so, at night, they are loud and clear.
I'll tell you what, how about at 3AM, I'll ask one of those drivers to sit in front of YOUR house and wind their machine open for... oh.... say 15 minutes or so. See how YOU like it.
All I am asking for is for snowmobilers to have a little respect.... but I fear that isn't going to happen with their incredible sense of entitlement!
Riverview, can I assume you are a recreational snowmobiler, and NOT a shift worker?
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
just observed that the Snowmobile club has erected signage within city limits along the groomed trails.
I guess it was no mistake after all.
seems the Club has ignored the City Bylaws, and snubbed their noses at the taxpayers of Prince Albert again this year.
snow safety (Usuario registrado)
riverview (Usuario registrado)
riverview (Usuario registrado)
With consultation with the city, candle lake club,and the SSA all sighs will be taken down as the where inadvertently being placed by the club to continue this service.The proper clearance was given for the club to continue these trails.
The volunteers that look after these trails are members of the community and your neighbors,do not condemn people for giving up their time for the safety of snowmobilers ,and the taxes they pay ever time they start their sleds.
As everywhere one goes someone abuses the system and if they did we would not need the traffic act and the criminal code.
So the Thinker ,the bylaw enforcement team,city police the SSA and the club en-volved dropped the ball and it is now rectified, now the snowmobilers will not be on a groomed,marked trail they who will still ride the ditches at their owned risk.
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
snow safety: nice... don't like the LAW, Just break it, and expect the Lawmakers to back down!
Sounds more like Anarchy to me.
Do you also support drunk drivers who disregard the Laws cause they don't like them either? Cause rest assured drunks will continue to drive drunk!
Your logic is flawed!
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
what I am against is the disregard for others and the law.
If the club ran a trail in front of my place, on public land, I'd accept it, as my RM has no bylaw barring this.
But I don't like them driving IN my yard on my front lawn. This attitude is going to force me to post my land.
The Club could take the trail up the tote road NEward towards Hwy2. Or through the Nisbet Forest towards the west.
With the few extra hectares of crown land we have in this province, I'd think there would be somewhere trails could be developed without impinging on Others Rights to Safetly, and some peace and quiet, interupted by the occasional REASONABLE noise. (which the snowmachines with open pipes are NOT)
Is that Really TOO MUCH to ask?
riverview (Usuario registrado)
Riding on public land is permitted but on private permission and to be obtained by the owner.A trail through private needs a approval from the land owner and a contract is signed by all which resolve the land owner of responsibility ,and the insurance is carried by the SSA,which how we obtained a bypass in the city.
theThnker not sure about your comments ,but we have a snowmobile act in the province and like any law has to be followed ,but we lawbreakers that don't follow them so they have to be caught.
And you comment about me and drunk drivers is uncalled for as I lost some to a drunk driver.
This is about people following the laws and enforcement of those laws,no matter under what heading they fall under.
We have to work together for education of those laws and the responsibility of the operators.
This year it is 50 years i have been riding and since 1972 involved with a club and the SSA.
We do not control over people who do stupid things>
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
Your right, the drunk driver comment was uncalled for. I apologize.
now, is there ongoing work to increase the number of trails that skirt the city? As I said, the tote road would work to go west, and could, with other roads, bring them around to the other side of Nordale.
also, I believe trails, properly groomed and located, are far better than the haphazzard riding in the fields back and forth. The noise, along the trails, while obnoxious, is usually short lived, except where there is a concentration of machines, like near the airport.
I own a couple fields near my house, and don't have an issue of machines crossing the fields if they keep going (stay out of the yard please) But the sheer number as you get closer to the city are the bigger concern regarding noise.
riverview (Usuario registrado)
The airport was the point of access towards the trail that continued cross the river through ruzkowski's hill.because of the development in the area(we where privy to info about city growth). we decided to drop the trails at that time,.
Because of the impact to the city with tourism ,because like i said it is almost a 100 million $$ tourism in the province.Last year there was 40,165 snowmobiles sold in Saskatchewan last year alone and only 9,980 registered in 2011,what does that tell you. 7 billion industry in canda. 23 billion in the US.100000 full time jobs in this sport in canada.. Somtime money is more important than some noise but small towns would not survive without it.
I would suggest you send an e-mail to the mayor as there is some talk about a trails for the city but not as it was before.Comments from the public and suggestions may help with problem areas. We had to modify some ares the years we operated our route to least impact the public.
The Candle Lake club has been instructed to remove the signs .
hope this helps. Also Chris Brewer with the SSA is always open to chat. Google "SSA"
All Bikers used to be drug dealers and thugs and we know that not to be true! Well snowmobilers did not have a good rap and it took some doing to change that perception,but some make it hard.
snow safety (Usuario registrado)
riverview (Usuario registrado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
the Groomer is back at it.....
I guess the Candle Lake club is happy disregarding the City Bylaws, Again.
I fall back to my initial position that the Club, as an organization simply snubs its nose at the laws!
Imagine what would happen if EVERYONE disregarded laws they didn't want to follow.
riverview (Invitado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
thanks
I'll have to make some calls
Braaaap (Invitado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
Braaaap: too bad you so easily condone breaking the law. If one of your kids was breaking the law, would you think they are doing a service to their community?
No wonder our youth are so messed up, with Mentors and Rolemodels like you!
Braaaaap (Invitado)
theThinker (Usuario registrado)
Yup, as a matter of fact I do
just because you can do ILLEGAL things and not get caught, doesn't make it OK to do it!
Braaaaap (Invitado)
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